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Shill William Seger and JREF Conclude Taylor and Hezarkhani 9/11 Shots Impossible: Ferry View Blocked By Huge Trees

Fred's picture
Submitted by Fred on Thu, 2007-11-01 18:48

Some truth for Fred.
Submitted by WilliamSeger on Thu, 2007-11-01 08:49.

It's completely impossible that you don't know full well that this is the shot that EeneyMinnieMoe got that most closely matches the Hezarkhani and Taylor viewpoints, within a few feet in fact, not the one that you dishonestly claimed was the "best shot":

As is painfully obvious to anyone with eyes, the Carmen Taylor video stills and CNN Ghostplane shot is completely impossible because of the fully mature trees blocking the shot, and because of the glaring omission of 37-story skyscraper 19 Rector St, which is missing from Microsoft Virtual Earth and Flight Simulator Databases but present in Lower Manhattan for the last 70 years. Rent the Al Pacino movie Cruising to see the same trees blocking the view in 1979, or simply look on the internet at old photos of battery park.

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Peggy Carter's picture

Yea, I think The Greenwich Lux Condo Bld on Rector is missing...

..from the Hezrkhani CNN "Exclusive" Fraud Video



Peggy Carter's picture

Shill Argument Technique

I'm not interested in taking on every "no-planer" argument you can come up with -- it's a waste of time

Yes to establish a reputation that would support the idea that you are logical, rational fair-minded and correct you would need to, at least in passing, answer every one of my points.

That you cannot and will not and choose instead to dismiss everything and wave it away, lends credence to the notion you are not in good faith.

The reason yours is a shill argument technique is like this:

1. You ignore the larger picture and context and concentrate on a nit-picky thing that you can win.

2. If you win it, or if it's unclear, and you can keep contesting, as long as you keep people's concentration and focus on the disagreement and contention you can muddy the waters and distract attention from the many arguments *against* your point of view that you have lost.

3. Tried and True Shill Technique that has worked for the folks who muddied the waters surrounding the MLK and the JFK fascist murders.

If it worked before, why change it?

The larger context you cannot win. So you distract attention from that and focus on a small skirmish that you perhaps *can* win - a misdirection ploy. You refuse to take into consideration the larger context and focus attention somewhere else. The bigger picture and the many points you cannot win you treat as incidental, when they are not.

Example: in the Kennedy Assasination arguments, scientists were called forth to "prove" a pumpkin will explode *toward* the direction of the impact of a bullet. The pumpkin was supposed to be analogous to Kennedy's head. This was to disprove the idea that just because JFK's brains were all over the trunk of his limo it couldn't be that he was hit from the back. Most people would assume that, yes, if there were brains all over the back of his car, most likely he was hit from the *front.* That's a natural assumption.

(It takes a lot of work to convince people of what is not true.)

There's a hundred thousand other points in the events surrounding JFK's killing which point to the fact the killer shot did not come from behind.

By focusing on a tiny detail, what happens to a pumpkin when it's hit by a bullet, and trying to convince folks that "yes" a pumpkin will explode toward the direction the bullet comes from, those who wanted to obscure the reality of what happened were able to fool folks and distract them.

This is comparable, IMO, to you trying to convince people that the Rector St. Greenwich St. Deluxe Condo Bld. was obscured by trees in the "Hezarkhani" CNN Exclusive "2nd hit" TV clip.

Peggy Carter's picture

Here's from right next to the Clinton Fort at Battery Park

Which is the official (NIST) location for the Hezarkhani, and therefor for the Taylor representations.

From the clearing directly next to Fort Clinton looking up at Whitehall Bld.

As reported in NIST:

I got a bunch of pics from there. They are on my blog:

http://conspicuousplot.blogspot.com/

http://conspicuousplot.blogspot.com/2007/02/blog-post.html

Click on the pics to get a bigger version.
YOu'll find ones from the "dock" area.

Keep in mind the dock area is recessed and lower than the Park area. To get there, you need to go down steps.

WilliamSeger's picture

"missing"

> "Yea, I think The Greenwich Lux Condo Bld on Rector is missing from the Hezrkhani CNN "Exclusive" Fraud Video."

Fred's picture

Ask Mrs Siegel To Buy William Seger Some Crayons and FingerPaint

Nice art project. Too bad it's no substitute for getting photos and videos that match the CNN fake. You should use your shill money to enroll in remedial art class.

Fred

Peggy Carter's picture

William ignores the issue of the Fake "Plane"

William ignores the issue of the Fake "Plane"

"you're a "truther" because you "stand by" your video shot from the pier, which you refuse to take down"

He keeps it up because it's still good.

Why don't you take you're work down? You've been proved wrong?

How did Taylor capture the shot she is alleged to have captured? The "plane" was allegedly traveling over 500mph. Isn't she and her camera a little bit to casual to capture what is alleged to be traveling the speed of a rocket? She says she pointed and clicked? Why is there no blur in the still shot?

Why is the 19 Rector St. missing from the CNN Hezarkhani "exclusive?"

check it out, please.

http://www.tiny.cc/WAnpi

Peggy Carter's picture

Too High

Did the JREF claim s/he were on the Ferry?

If so that only proves that the ferry was too high to match the Hez and Taylor, and the FEMA report was "correct" in saying it was in the Park next to the Clinton?

;)

Why?

Notice the relative height of the red chimney thing (Deluxe condos soon coming), bld behind Whitehall, as compared to the front face of Whithall.

In William's they are even. In the Hez the Red chimney piece juts up higher. Proving: William's viewer is placed higher than "where" Hez was.

http://www.tiny.cc/4KNUl

WilliamSeger's picture

"Painfully obvious"

> "As is painfully obvious to anyone with eyes, the Carmen Taylor video stills and CNN Ghostplane shot is completely impossible because of the fully mature trees blocking the shot..."

> "... and because of the glaring omission of 37-story skyscraper 19 Rector St..."

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