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Why?
You really wanna know?
I think you already know.
(BTW: For those who don't geddit. That's not a nose sticking out of a mushroom. It's Andrew's favourite picture of a crater on Mars)
Wife Beater
It’s like the wife beater whose wife never leaves for fear of more beatings and hope against hope. There you have the whole Jones/Fetzer crews who lap up their sputum like it had actual nutritional value!
The thing that still confuses me is how stupid people are to choose one of these drips or the other. I also noted that the anti-Jew Hoffman was there the whole time. This was his "re-instatement" conference and was scheduled to have a real anti-Jew holocaust denier to head it all up and pull any intelligence into the muck with it.
I can see his jiggle speech twists around with no meaning and his church is full of people that seem to dribble no matter what is fed them. People seem to wake up to go back to sleep. I am pretty convinced that only a few people can stand, the rest will sit in the comfy chair and drink what is served - specially if by a sweet face.
I also was not pleased to see it promoting Wood who works as hard at the crap as Jones does, promotes Sofia and 911 Mysteries and backs Fetzers lies. More, but lets go to sleep with half a smile - How many times will Jones be exposed as a screw before people stop turning for him?
By the way, Sofia is Pakistani and her President just had Bhutto shot http://www.ricksiegel.com/web2/node/63 to assure either no election or a landslide for himself.
Wood Promotes Sofia?
Rick,
"I also was not pleased to see it promoting Wood who works as hard at the crap as Jones does, promotes Sofia and 911 Mysteries and backs Fetzers lies. "
Where does Wood promote Sofia?
What importance, if any, do you place on the use of DEW at the WTC?
I don't like what Sofia did to your film clips either - and have publicly said so, but I don't agree with your above statement.
Woods is more Bullshit
"Where does Wood promote Sofia?"
"and (I) have publicly said so"
Yes, not only has she not done that but quite the opposite. As those days passed she talked regularly on the phone with Sofia. In fact she called me and told me about their mutual support system. Since they were so chummy I asked why she had not presented the questions to Sofia about her crimes. Judy answered she did not want to disturb their friendship.
I can pass you the emails from the lists or the audio files if you like. But I think she cannot say what you just did because she did not say anything about the crimes and she continues to support Fetzer and 911mysteries without saying one word about the frauds!
As far as her "evidence" page it is full of bullshit photos that even I pointed out long ago. Her excuse for not taking them down was that once up she does not want to take them down because it would give an excuse to the debunkers? In particular the car with the fake fire in front while the police inside are eating lunch, which we debunked almost a year ago here while helping her.
Now, answer this:
What has Judy Wood done to make anyone aware of the frauds in 911 Mysteries? Where has she ever taken any stand against the radio broadcast of Fetzer and Sofia about the frauds they created and claiming my video the real fraud? Why are you taking over CBBrooklyns job as her shill? When is Wood really going to make a real scientific paper with a stand? A year is too short time? When? 2010? 2020? It is bullshit.
Judy has shocked me with her behavior. Remember once I thought as you but when you are in the fire together true character rises to the surface. Like Fetzer's "even if true I would'nt say it."
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Spamorama
Maybe you forgot the whole breakup with Gerard, Nico, and Webfairy etc was caused by Wood's refusal to do the simple math needed to prove out the aluminum wing vs the steel girders? What would be needed for aluminum to cut steel?
She refused and all hell broke out as Webfairy defended her with the strangest defense and the only known structural engineer we had would not entertain that simple task - preferring to continue on the paper on exotic weapons that is never going to appear.
The results? Disintegration of the combined efforts here as the WebHag and KillJoy dragged Nico and whomever they could away after shitting the place up. No paper from Judy and no condemnation of Sofia - utter bullshit.
Wow!
Rick,
You can send me the emails re Sofia and Judy if you like - I'd be sure interested to read them.
I have an audio of a conversation between Sofia and Judy Wood on my Website, so I know they have spoken etc.
She doesn't "promote" Sofia - she has PART of the 9/11 mysteries film on her site where it documents the destruction of the towers.
She has another part where she points out the problems with the molten metal psy-op.
You blame Judy Wood for breaking up the other group? Wow. That's a pretty bold statement. You think Judy should just do what you or Holmgren or whoever demand her to? Sorry, I disagree with you here. I understand that bullying tactics work about as well on Judy as they do on me - and, as I recall, she gave some reasons for not submitting to such tactics.
I'd would genuninely be interested to see any analysis of debunked photos of car fires - do you have a link?
Yes, we still talk to Fetzer, and we have reasons for doing so.
In any case Rick, I just wanted to thank you again for re-writing the press-release about Judy's Qui Tam case a while back. It definitely helped draw more attention to it. How did that go down with Gerard et al? Do they plan to launch some action of their own at all?
Ignoring my questions?
Thank you. Perhaps you would reciprocate answering instead of ignoring and adding more burdens.
I did your job to search here:
http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/ARG/Image168.jpg
http://www.911researchers.com/node/632
Here is one I easily found with search here.
So, there is no place Judy Wood has ever criticized 911 Mysteries or Sofia and continues to promote it through use and proliferation, as you seem to agree with. You understand that they are chummy and I might dig up the audio for you. But you seem so sold on your majesty that like 911 truthers love for Ron Paul find ways to rationalize his "Absolutely no inside job" statements. You seem to think that promotion of a video is not promotion. I use your work as example but you are not being promoted. I bet you feel that way about your music? Wake up man!
Why do you want to obscure the issue around to Gerard and the idiot circle jerk Judy quid pro quo case? Give it a look brother, it goes nowhere. Why would Gerard care to join a boat to nowhere again?
"Yes, we still talk to Fetzer, and we have reasons for doing so."
Note first you use "we". You are speaking for "we" as in Judy and You. That is sick and you better take a look at that closely as you proceed. Are you "we?"
So, Mr. We, you still talk to the fraud agent Fetzer. Knowing he is a liar and a fraud. You allude to "reasons for doing so" further admitting your culpability to fraud being perpetrated on Fetzer through a conspiracy with you and Judy (your "we"). At the least trying to use his visibility for credibility? I mean what is the major damage here?
Take a closer look at what you are doing. Stop speaking for or with others and stand there on your own.
Spanish inquisition?
Rick,
Thanks for the info re the car photo. I have seen this before, so need to study it more closely. How about the other photos? Are they all bogus too?
And I just checked out that thread - I agree there could be some fakes in the photos, but I have no respect for Coffinman's approach and have recently been given more reason to think the "toasted car" issue has other signifcance. The witness accounts of "cars blowing up" tie up with some of the photos, so there may be 1 or 2 fake photos, just as there are fake plane videos. It does not mean there were *no* toasted cars and the physical evidence is not consistent with large planes, whatever the videos showed.
I am strongly of the opinion that there has been an active campaign to set the "DEW" and "No planes" camps against each other - viz Genghis, Spooked (supports "No planes", went against DEW) Anthony Lawson (apparently supported DEW then went against "no planes")
In both cases what wins is looking at the physical evidence - focusing on this defeats the "playing off" that is going on.
Yes - both Judy and I talk to Fetzer - so that's the "we". Judy and I do talk a lot - it's what friends do, so I understand. And yes I do defend her - I am happy to do so. Maybe some time in the future, I might regret it (as I now regret defending Jones until I had evidence that he was up to no good). So I am trying to "put my best foot forward".
I wish I could feel more comfortable posting other stuff here, but I don't.
You can do and say what you want - it's your site after all.
I am not personally accountable to anyone but myself and people can think and say what they like about me on here - I still don't see why you are being so harsh on me when people like Jones are (ultimately) responsible for helping us to keep paying $6 or whatver the figure is now for gas (it's more in the UK) and mess up the environment. So anyway, that's one of my foci for now - so feel free to attack me for that if you want as well.
Yes, Senor
If you re-read the thread you may open your eyes to something. You ask, get answers, ignore or grunt acceptance, ask more and move around. You are stuck in some defensive rut.
Look Andrew, much respect. I would never take the time to show you things if I did not care, or as Veronica, think you are legit.
I would ask you to genuflect on how you claim, or make, someone a "friend" and your definition of it. You do not have to answer to me, but I will tell you when I hear friend it means more than someone I know, more than someone I knew a long time, it means someone who has proven they are there for me as I am for them. They have words like acquaintance and co-worker or co-investigator for people you never proved out. Is Judy a "real friend" then to you?
When you come on with "are they ALL bogus?" you are in the lost league brother, you have taken the step beyond reality to prevent seeing some truth. I tell you I pointed out many to her, so did we all here (just search around the threads that have "Judy Wood" in them), and many of us were surprised she kept them up in the evidence page uncommented.
You claim that you do not like Coffinman's approach. Well, there are plenty of approaches I don't like but it is not as important as the message. Just as I re-wrote the important news release to take the ham and cheese out of it you can see this is a better way to do it. I am going to send you that recording of Judy telling that she was not going to ruin her relationship with Sofia asking her why she criminally altered evidence. Why? Judy actually uses the same words to defend Sofia as WebHag used to defend Judy that started the spamorama. Thus giving the Coffinman approach much more validity than before.
If you do remember even the WebHag went to claim a specific sentence that started off the spamorama, she claimed Coffinman started the feminist dribble. In the end it was WebHag after we pulled all the threads open. She started it defending Judy as a hurt and vulnerable woman and has to be treated like something other than human. Well, here is Judy months before that doing the same for Sofia. I even think the exact words match! You can research that if you want, but the object lesson is that these people use sexist protocols to elicit response when logic fails.
When you start to talk about Judy as a real friend you are going to be stuck when it comes to determining reality. You are, like a parent or a good friend, going to defend, even if wrong. That is what I pointed out to you as not to be able to see what I give you anyway. You knew the photos and yet needed to be given them again. You are turning your head to your own knowledge and asking me to provide proof of something you know already. You ask for links to any photos I meant, I gave, you reject it and decide to put up the straw man "so they are all?" I am not attacking; I am providing you with information to clear your vision. If you have something counter to this please provide it.
You have not given me the link where she condemned Sofia or 911 mysteries in any way shape or form? In fact she ignores the Sofia crimes as she uses her work and name as examples. That is promoting Andrew. If I put your music there I promote you. You know it and you will not wrap your head around it.
Judy talks to Sofia all the time. Friends! Like YOU! Well, she did that with me too, FRIENDS, Like YOU! And in the end poor "vulnerable" Sofia, who as Judy put, is so easy to manipulate, was not taken to task but put up as a fine example as "friend Rick" was screwed to the wall by those you call friends. Thanks friends!
I have answered each of your questions properly with links and pictures. I am, today, sending you that audio. I do not do that to beat you down, call you an agent or spy or bad. I think you are fooled again. You have not proven me wrong as I took each of your flags and showed the false face to them.
Why does Judy Wood use shills? (Please understand a shill does not have to know they are doing their work) Judy does not participate after years and under the excuse of those feminine flaws apparently. She is too vulnerable, so hurt, so physically incapable etc to actually stand on her own in any forum. She even uses Fetzer, whom she claims is a liar, to front her issues. She is using you now as the willing messenger and shill for her and her issues. Never having to answer direct. You speak for her; she does not have to answer to what you say. Very convenient. In a way what Ron Paul does using Alex Jones.
If you cannot see the red flags all over you are really stuck in a dream. I only hope to wake you. If you feel I am misguided I am waiting the first link or paper you can provide to show that? It really looks as though you see the flaws but are ignoring or minimalizing them for some “greater good” thing. Very Fetzer. These are not little things; they are there for a long time and not changed. Judy calls and uses shills – directs them. Why do I have recordings? CB was one, you are it now but she has yet to take the field as herself. Who else has done that?
Pretty much what I have said (in private) ...
... but I get the impression you are confusing "the Andrews", Rick.
Andrew LOWE-WATSON is the music composer whose music is on Improbable Collapse. Andrew LOWE-WATSON is the one who said he still believes in the Queen. Andrew LOWE-WATSON used to post here, but has now become completely dissatisfied with the whole shebang. (I can empathise with that. I've had my own Sabbatical, for most of 2007).
Andrew Johnson (this thread-starter) is someone else entirely.