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Is it not true?
You all know why I left.
A pit of vipers I called it here.
Well I have to ask you Rick:
Is it a falsehood that 4000 Israeli's who should have been in the WTC survived?
If so then you need to complain to "The Jerusalem post" who actually said that 4000 Israeli's were believed missing due to calls from relatives who said their loved ones should have been in there. (Well at least that gets rid of the theory that EVERY Jew knew what was happening).
I would link to their article but they removed it:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Editions/2001/09/12/LatestNews/LatestN...
Though they still have the link to it here:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jpost.html
There IS a saved copy of the article here:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/10/JerusPost120901.html
I'm all against hate, Rick, but I can't go along with using the tag of "anti-semitism" (a misnomer) for anything that is critical of the behaviour of Israel or of some Jews (when that behaviour arises BECAUSE they are Jewish).
Let's face it, the Talmud is real, and allegedly (according to the Jewish encyclopaedia) the most important part of Judaism, and it does say some hateful things about gentiles. "Even the best of gentiles should be killed" and etc.
IT IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO POINT THAT OUT!
But the offending passage is indeed very ANTI-GENTILE.
And then there IS the Mosiach creed, where the Jews believe that THEY THEMSELVES are the messiah, and that "Messianic rule" is when they have complete control of the World.
I'll let the Rabbi explain:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSihqqDSio
I only put part 1 up but it's enough.
Also it was openly declared in the Israeli congress that the term "goy government" needs to be re-evaluated in relation to USA because "America no longer has a goy government":
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mWHs8OA4-e4
Now when people see that, and they see the 911 farce run by the same hijacked government (with help), and they see the anti-American/Arab war in Iraq:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUglLvVNUY
and they look at how the UN has not enforced A SINGLE RESOLUTION passed against Israel, but pisses all over every other country, and that the UN will be pulling the World government together by force and coercion (it already "owns" most of the US), it is hardly surprising if they think:
"Mmmmm, it looks like the era of "Messianic rule" is being brought about"
YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM!
So, never mind the anti-semitism, how is it that nobody ever wants to touch on the areas that implicate Israel and/or Jewish interests in 911 and the never-ending war we've been dragged into?
I don't think that EVERY JEW is in on this deal!
But the thing is, the secrecy and taboo is so great that I'll never get to find out.
There IS supremacism, hate and bigotry in Judaism, and only JEWS THEMSELVES are in a position to address it, and it is only by that happening that so-called "anti-semitism" can be fought.
Here's a book all about it, written by a jew:
http://www.coffinman.co.uk/Book%20-%20Jewish%20History%20by%20Israel%20S...
And here's one that was NOT written by a Jew:
http://www.coffinman.co.uk/Dr.%20David%20Duke%20-%20Jewish%20Supremacism...
We can't use the anti-semitism tag when someone points out genuine facts of concern.
I mean Rick, if you want to talk about HATE let's have a natter about what has been done in Palestine since the British betrayal of the Arabs.
Or in Lebanon more recently.
Or even what was done to JEWS to get them to go and settle over there in the desert fighting Arabs all their lives.
None of them wanted to go.
But Hitler changed that, and then Zionism was on the march again.
The clique at the top don't care about "Jews".
But nevertheless, the elite have created this army, along with the "Mosiach creed" to guide it's actions.
Recognising this is not "anti-semitism".
I have no hate for any Jew I might meet.
Now if he tells me that I am inferior and that he should rule over me, I will find myself diametrically opposed to his beliefs, but that does not necessitate hate on my part, just understanding.
So back to the alleged 4000.
Is it not true?
Because it was reported in the Jerusalem Post.
Why is it anti-semitic to repeat something that was reported in the Jerusalem post?
(Come to think of it, people have been imprisoned and called anti-semitic for repeating the words of an Israeli prime minister haven't they?!).
According to the Jerusalem Post, 4000 Israeli's were supposed to be at work at WTC that day.
I personally have not seen ONE verified report of an Israeli death there.
Maybe someone can show me one.
Now if you are going to ignore these matters and use the "anti-semite! Cover your ears! Don't read it" tactic then there is no more I can do.
I believe that the Jews are equally victims here, because the elite are something from way back, and we got away from them, but they are getting us back, real soon. They have divided us and they are conquering us. Their method bears the cloak of a religion, but that's all it is, a cloak.
Hear me properly, Rick, there is no hate in me, just despair.
Coffinman
Coffinman it is too
Coffinman it is too convienient to declare the article was taken down and much easier to make a fake page than a fake video. 911 truth are liars too.
Let's be critical here:
"survive that fateful day together with 3,999 of 4,000 Israelis "
This is erroneous, impossible, stupid, irresponsible and makes it difficult to place any blame on anyone Jewish. It is inflammatory, extremist, ridiculous and as you well point out there is absolutely no historic document other than a created page by the perpetrators of the myth and it is more a recreation of what they want you to believe. No archive.org funny enough either.
Coffinman, look at it, 3999 of 4000? It is crazy. The figure is crazy, there are no proofs, and it is more than 99 percent and just wrong. It is equal or worse than the lies Shafquat created with my video.
You are allowing the evil to obscure the truth with bigotry, or is it anti Semitism when it is Jews? This totally obliterates fact and is lies drawing nothing but bullshit. 3999 of 4000! You want to hide behind "alleged". Asshole, stand and show real proof or see the light.
How the hell are you going to show only one Jew died that day? 3999 out of 4000. 1 died. Idiot!
4000 Israelis worked at the Trade Center? How the hell did that figure come about?
How many is in that 4000? Is it counting any Israelis that were lucky to get out the stairs?
Are you really certain only one went to work and died?
You have a piston not firing there brother and better get your brain tuned in better. This is not evidence it is bullshit.
Don't look here
Nothing to see here.
Just move along.
Coffinman
when will you ever learn
truthiness = politics = spin
The jerusalem post --STOP -- it was actually the internet version for starters so lets rephrase
Internet staff [no names --STOP-- truthiness awareness] of the Jerusalem Post, posted an article that said what exactly?
Lucky Larry would also miss his usual breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant on the 107th floor of the North Tower and survive that fateful day together with 3,999 of 4,000 Israelis who normally were in the WTC, a statistical anomaly of huge proportions). ---RENSE = HOSTING ARTICLES OF TRUTHINESS = HOSTING POLITICALLY WRITTEN ARTICLES = SPIN
The unknown internet staff of the Jerusalem Post actually wrote;
The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack
The foreign ministry received the names -- STOP -- who sent those names ???
4,000 Israelis believed --- STOP --- believed ---and were there 4,000 or did someone round up or down a figure???
In the areas of the WTC and pentagon -- STOP ---- in the areas?????
IN THE AREAS ....
NOT [...as the truthiness/politician wannabes .. would have us believe] IN THE WTC.
Rubbish story pounced upon by a group of truthers and spun into some sort of story to attract people.. oh btw the truthers who grabbed this story are definately racists and anti-semitics attempting to sow seeds of hatred and mistrust. Politicians, you see. Thats their game.. thats how they get power by creating hatred between those they fear most.
911 truth assholes like Ian Ballard
To spread bullshit stories with evidence that no one has, cover up the agenda of the Lions of Zion. With these ass wipes constantly baiting and using bogus made up evidence it only allows the real people to hide easier within a group. Worse than Wood's who claims it may be some weapon rather than use her brains and do some physics.
I think they want to turn this into a Jew Baiting site too, like Rense is, but I think not.
So which Jews died?
Have we got any names of Judaic individuals who died in the WTC (Please don't say Edna Cintron)?
I haven't heard one, myself.
This is what David Duke says about the matter:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b7sXbAXp2Mg
And it STINKS that there was a Mossad squad filming the event.
And the details of the Israeli spy ring stink too.
And what is happening in Iraq is completely contrary to US interests.
Zark said:
[the truthers who grabbed this story are definately racists and anti-semitics attempting to sow seeds of hatred and mistrust.]
Well that sums it up doesn't it?
"If you look here you are an anti-semite".
What crap.
Facts are facts.
It is a Fact that the US administration is overun by Israeli control.
It is a FACT that on account of this, US foreign policy has been decided for the interests of Israel, regardless of the detriment that may have to the US.
It is a FACT that the admitted most central part of the Jewish religion, the Talmud, declares non-Jews to be sub-human, and to have no property rights etc., and that they all should be killed.
It is a FACT that Israel is a racist, Jewish supremacist apartheid state that has stolen land by terrorism and murder, against international law and countless UN resolutions (that of course will never be enforced).
It is a FACT that unless a person agrees with the methods of the racist state that they can not be in government there!
It is a FACT that Israel has been happily producing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons while other countries have been hammered for attempting to generate nuclear power.
And etc.
Are you saying that to notice any of the above is anti-semitic?
Give me a break.
Look at Palestine and answer me what is the complaint that the Jews have against the Germans in WW2.
Then consider what complaints the Palestinians may have against the Jews now.
Compare Israel now to what South Africa was like. Which is worse?
And by using the "anti-semite" label (gee that's a load of crap. You know Israel has a million Semites in a concentration camp called Gaza.) you transfer these complaints to be agains "all Jews", when it is not.
I bet there are multitudes of Jews who haven't got a clue what's going on.
But I also bet that the deeper they are into their religion, the more they are aware of.
You see, you ignore my point, that it is not "the Jews" that are the problem, but JUDAISM ITSELF.
Judaism is a vehicle for the New World Order.
It always has been.
Along with Communism.
And Zionism.
And Naziism.
When the "Israelites" were created in the desert it was the same as when some rebels steal all of the kids from some village in Africa and create an army out of them.
There are plenty Jews who denounce the state of affairs.
There are Jews who don't see the political situation but yet denounce the racism in the Talmud and in the Jewish state.
So it isn't "all Jews" is it.
So this isn't about semites and non-semites.
It's about those that are working for the Mosiach, and those that oppose it.
In all Jewish historical writing, and in conventionally taught history, those that are opposed to the Mosiach and the anti-Gentilism endorsed by the Talmud and the Zohar are the ones who have been referred to as anti-semites.
Do you deny that the Mosiach creed exists, either of you?
Do you deny that work is being done to bring about the "era of messianic rule"?
Can you deny the total control of American foreign policy by Israeli interests?
Can you condemn the treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza.
Even.....
Can you condemn an Israeli medic for refusing to treat a severely injured Arab on "religious grounds" (= following the Talmud's rules)?
Or here's a real simple one.
To both of you.
Let's see where you stand.....
Is there any difference in spiritual value between the life of a Palestinian and the life of a Jew?
If we can answer that one, then we can look at the other items knowing where we stand.
Coffinman
Listing problems
Coffinman, there are not as many issues of "anti-Semitism" in your examples. What the thread is about is the hidden agenda expressed through the bastardization of information to spread that agenda as the example pointed in the Rense article.
I really feel that the lies built into these things distract people from finding the facts, because the first ones tossed in their face are such blatant fabrications. If I am to decide truth based on the Rense bullshit then 911truth are liars that fabricate evidence - as they did with 911 Mysteries.
These fake facts do not help to point fingers in the right directions because they obscure the direction with bullshit that will allow dismissal of all real evidence.
To take 4000 citizens of a nation, whose existence was forced by bankers of England on the world, being in the areas of WTC and Pentagon (with nothing about what they were doing, nothing about location, vocation, or even the sex of them) and change plus adding that they all worked now in the Trade Center, adding on that they escaped except one from phone call warning, and making the lie a huge point is, can I say it? The most ignorant slut thing to do and a most distractive technique used to create a cacophony of bullshit, like this, that will get research to move off the subject and new interested people to the conclusion that you are stupid. You can't read and certainly can't do research.
To take one strand of truth, maybe 4000 were in the areas of two places, and change it to this tripe is nasty and evil - like 911truther leaders I would say.
It has the sound of Eastmaniac to it.
filming the film
And it STINKS that there was a Mossad squad filming the event.
Do you know whether they were set-up and filming before the explosions in the WTC or after?
Do you know that FACT?
Do you know that they were MOSSAD?
rense hosted article
It's not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity. She's insisted that she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment building had called her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day unfold.
As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on the roof of a white van in her parking lot. Here's her recollection: "They seemed to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was strange."
Were they there before 'the first strike' or after?
Do you know?
No, you dont.
But you dont wanna know the FACTS because you prefer to believe that they were set-up and filming beforehand thus re-inforcing your own personal beliefs and the crap written by the politically motivated.
So basically Maria is ok to watch the attacks unfold using binoculars but israelis cant watch with a camcorder on the top of a van because??????
Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence community believed that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad
believed... no FACTS, just belief. Thats the start of tyranny from the law department.
Is that what you call it?
Nobody posted any "The Jews did it" threads, but you brought an issue up that related to "Jews" and someone answered it with points.
Is that what you call turning the site into a "Jew-baiting site"?
It is obvious that you are determined to smear any investigation into these aspects as a racist attack.
It's strange isn't it, you guys will chat for days about whether Arabs were or were not involved, and look into all kinds of details.
But "don't look here".
I'm outta here.
Coffinman
Coffinman never here anyway
Outta here? When were you here?
Coffinman you are on the wall and falling over. I brought up the 911truth lies, sometimes it is about creating explosions where they are not, sometimes it is about fabricating evidence and trying to point people in other directions.
You can investigate all you want, just don't use bogus evidence that you fabricate - which generally I did not see you do and do not ask me to do your research.
Think about it Coffinman you are asking me to provide backing for your statements. You want me to provide you with the names of cult members who died in the Trade Center so you can prove that only one single Jew died that day. Your presumption is already sick. You have to do that and shove it in my face because you are full of bullshit to defend it without those facts. I prefer to tell you it is bullshit having lived there and know people who died and their cult beliefs.
I will make the strong statement that if you use that 3999 escaped out of 4000 you will never have credibility in anyones mind because it is an unprovable lie and shows you will use lies to prove an agenda - a racist.
What assholes like that do is get someone who might be tracking evidence to just add that in and make their evidence rot with it. Something like you are doing.
There is a vast differnce even claiming 911 was a Mossad influenced or even operation than claiming 3999 out of 4000 Jews got phone calls and escaped! Stating both together means you want to associate some truth with a blatant lie so they both are tainted now and you lose all points.
Stop assuming so much and drop the bogus information. It is tainted and you will taint the rest of your information by combining them.