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Ireland just voted no to the slave documents that the EU rulers were trying to push on their subjects. Saved in the nick of time I would say.
better re-think
Better think twice
As the Irish, Dutch and French wallow in their response to the EU treaty/Lisbon Treaty/Constitution blah blah blah, EU spin doctors are questioning whether they actually understood what they were voting about.
Yes, thats right. The NO vote, wasnt a vote of NO, it was a vote of misunderstanding.
The Scotsman proclaims that everyone loves the EU system its just the mention of elected officials that scares them off.
Hmmmmm
Will these guys get the message? We are happy and secure living within our smaller dictorial systems. We prefer the ignorance of our present condition rather than the 'in-your-face', 'out-in-the-open' dictatorship.
As the Scotsman says, the EU is in charge already. Before Brown signed everything economical over to the EU boardroom, EU law superceded National Law. This has been for many years. So, yes, people ARE confused and saying NO to the treaty is ineffectual.
The UKs arsehole David Miliband says that the EU should listen to this response -- because thats all it is , a response --- there is no way on this fucking planet that the Land Owners are going to dismantle their entire project and upset their Masters. Its purely PR. The EU will continue to function as it would if the vote was YES but without the backing of the people it is a sticky situation. Miliband wants the EU to sort their PR machine out and provide the nations with something fun and funky for the 21st Century.
Lastly to the Irish and this ludicrous vote. They vote NO to the treaty but have already accepted the EURO as their currency. The PUNT disappeared many years ago and the people have the affront to get arsey over the treaty but not take issue with the most powerful weapon in their command - the cashflow. So what if they vote NO to the treaty, the EU still has Ireland in control.
Its already happened. Everything you fear could, has. There is a world dictatorship in place but thats a later PR exercise.
oh before i forget to mention;
ABOLISH USARY
interesting read on that article
Seems like the site is ours Zark.
The EU is a force that needs slowing or stopping. I truly wish the British would do a mass protest like they did for Iraq on the usurping of the promised vote.
I think the article distilled it pretty good, the people of Europe look to open the place up not close it down and were not looking to be the United States of Europe (now USE).
I agree about the laws superseding the national levels as I pointed out in the recent Spanish protest. This is how they disarmed the nations making up the USA
The truck drivers were just asking for a minimum for cartage of produce based on the price of oil - shipping has doubled in the last 2 months alone and EU rules do not allow them to do a thing about it. So the government tells the drivers it is tough treaties and sucks it up to Brussels. Oh yeah, each truck will spend 3 days and 1000 euros in fuel alone to protest where they will instantly be arrested - this works?
So the drivers went home and back to work because protest is useless in your own nation and illegal in the place where appointed officials make the laws. Ohh is such a web they wove and little to the piggies see the light through the Euros.
The fruits and veggies are falling to the ground to rot. It is nice because I eat for free living here. Wine in the streets, fruits in the trees and veggies piled high free behind the markets. But in a city like London the cost of the 10kg of oranges I picked off the trees yesterday for free? 5kg of Peaches? 4kg of ripe red tomatoes? All free here, but how much there? One neighbor has the eggs, another slaughters a cow on Wednesday, everything is agriculture. But farmers are selling out to build housing and soon no more trees. I think the plan is to have Africa supply the food-stuffs - that is why they are allowing the chaos there.
Piling people in a city dependent on your services is a great way to enslave a group.
The article also pointed out everyone would vote against it given the chance. People want open "borders" and opportunity to live and work where they like without horrible restrictions, license and subjugations. Governments created borders and all the EU is for them is a bigger more powerful war machine that will allow them to do what they want when they want with very little chance of any particular old nationality trying to stop it. Pay your taxes, send your children to war and enjoy life. Most nations want that treaty for the banking provisions. All privacy is removed with it and each nation gets some 170 billion euros free when it is in place. The money is of course fiat paper notes not real.
The EU army and flag are already here yet they pretend to want to start it. Imagine an army sent to quell the riots in London filled with nationals from 27 other countries. Would they shoot Brits? That is the plan, same as they use in the USA. They really want that legal write-off so that they can use their forces to enforce it on everyone - no one will have any independence - conform or get the third out of fourth right - to mandatory re-education. Geeze it is getting so 1984. Just appeared to us later even though it was there and ready. As the rat hairs of democratic media driving mob rule take over the world there are less places to live in peace.
Abolish usary and fiat currencies, make them earn their money the old fashioned way. Abolish governments and allow communities their independence.
eu money business
seems the treaty has been sent from the House of Lords and gained 'ascension' to the royal desk. Its been passed into law -- which is odd -- The EU treaty, once the Irish admit that they are ruining everything for all the other countries [sarcasm] and retract their vote, will rule the 'state of britain'.
There is it
The uk public wont do anything about it because, as said, they love the cheap chinese goods [clothes, electronics], the cheap flights and ease of moving in and out of EU member states.
Money rules the mind and the business chiefs are well aware of it.
The price of goods in the Uk is a funny thing, generally the attitude is that prices are going up because oil companies are being greedy but its a back-to-front attitude designed to preserve how the national economy works.
Instead it would be correct to say that the UK pound is losing its value and therefore petrol and diesel prices are going up. Energy [gas and electric] are going up because the pound is losing value. All these utilities/resources are owned by foreign/supranational companies and therefore exchanging the uk pound for their chosen currency will weigh heavy.
As a point of note -- oil companies generally make a profit of [in the uk] 9p per litre (currently at £1.20 litre -- $11.00 a gallon). less than 10% profit is a very very poor profit margin and thus we can conclude that the oil companies are operating conservatively.
Tax percent hasnt changed either recently soooo... the price of fuel is linked directly the exchange rate and the value of the pound and dollar in the global market.
As the pound and dollar sink, the Euro remains stable. The blame is being put upon the distractions rather than the all important monetary system
Building a national army is
Building a national army is not "streamlining" the EU unless that streamline is to a global empire.
The banking provisions are where everything is hidden. The big four rights you get now as an EU citizen (no such thing as a Brit anymore) are actually canceled if you get any fund from any EU organization. Your privacy is gone and you are at anytime at their disposal and they can go through any and all records you have including entering your house and confiscation.
Of course you read how they can interdict and intervene in any protest in any of their states to protect their citizens?
I have to find a place far from all this.
the mind war
Well, the Irish people seem to have forgotten who they were and who they are.
The act of voting democratically over this EU Treaty is twisted as they are living in a republic. ROI-- Republic of Ireland
Any irish reading this?
You've been tricked into wilfully destroying your own country's basis.
Not only giving yourselves over to the Euro [even though the PUNT was based upon Usury] you have now identified yourselves as democrats by voting and in such a case regardless of choice, have voted for the death of the republic.
Democratic values in a
Democratic values in a Republic is not unusual, that is how to capture the vote.
I am not sure how the Irish had it but the united States of America joined in a Republic with democratic principles. That is why things had to pass at 2/3 and 3/4 to become bills. Simple majority is simply a mob and easily swayed by propaganda and media.
I saw a movie (so how authoritative is that?) showing the beginings of the Irish Republic and it was inspiring to see them toss the bankers trying to steal old ladies homes because they had become widows with no money. A Republic protects everyone and gives minorities voices.
The absolute crime is allowing Democracy, a system, vs the principle. A mob ruled nation is easily moved by power and money. A Democracy is where a small majority can absolutely over power the smaller majority even if it was 49.9 precent and totally opposite.
Zark, I am still sort of stuck on the fact that only one nation had people allowed to vote and the clowns called EU are still going to go on with the farce. People are so starved and sucked into the debt system that they have no time to rebel against the travesties to their freedoms. They are too busy with life to watch what is being done in their name.
voting
well the Dutch and French had voted;
In 2005 -- the french said no to the treaty
and
the dutch said no to the treaty
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As far as i can explain it;
1) the EU is in full effect
2) all the bureaucratic methods are in place and functioning
3) the finances have been transfered
the last stage 4) is to gain pyschological acceptance from the people.
In order to implement the ID CARDS, which are simply Bio-Metric Internal EU Passports, the Union board and members require subserviance of the people. Without 4) the ID Cards, a step toward the total destruction of the self and the wilful slavery of people, cannot occur.
As with all corporate take overs, the COMMODITIES of each corporation must be counted, tallied and their value and expected value is calculated. WE are the commodities. Our birth certificates are the contracts which, sickenly, our parents were conned and tricked into signing thus passing ownership from family to state.
Now the state {UK --- The Crown} are pushing us over to the EU as a step towards a global system. The EU requires us, the existing self-conscious beings, to literally sign ourselves over to them as our new employers/owners.
This is a serious fucking business and the EU, european countries and world countries will not stop in their march to the final goal of world governance. The EU will continue until, the individual accepts the EU as the new corporate owners -- financially and bureaucratically they are already the owners of the corporations 'England/Spain/Germany/Ireland/etc etc' but still require the self-sacrifice of the commodities.
They are too busy with life to watch what is being done in their name.
They are un-informed and disbelieving in the face of the phantasmorgoria.
The beast is hydra and labyrinthine with a single weakness [in my opinion] the weakness is Usury and i am doing what i can to begin a fight
Every battle is won, before it is even fought.
legalities of voting
The law lords in the UK have refused to allow the Ascended EU Treaty legal status in the UK.
They say a referendum must be held in order for the Act to be legal.
voting must occur
no vote for UK subjects (subjected under the queen)
Zark, the judge did not really decide yet. One might assume he would see the light however he is a judge and sworn to the court, the court being the queens, the law being divinely laid out by her - not the people.
So there is a catchall there as for her subjects she decided what is right or wrong. You are born under the flag of the divine right rule. It will be interesting to watch this development.
It is also interesting that the treaties must all go to the pope’s city rather than the Swiss house that holds treaties; I think it is their bank of international reconciliations or something? Going to Rome is significant in that the pope claims ownership over his flock through his the kings - he is after all the king of kings and gave each and every one of them their divine rights to rule. The awful web of deceit.
It just has me wondering where I can live free anymore?
rome treaties
whey hey, now theres a point of enlightenment -- all paper work still goes to Rome.
Like Gordon Brown and the rest of the EUites signing the EU Reform Treaty in December last year at the Monastery of St Jerome.
Seems the footsoldiers [the knights templars(masons/freemasons etc)] are still working hand in hand with the Vogons [the catholic church] for the betterment and progression of their masters plans.[ Atonists ]
Where can we live free?
Gotta remove the barriers for that to occur.
Seems a massive battle but .. it is all how one thinks about it ---
some people see giant machine like institutions and very influencial people everywhere and from that perspective -- freedom is nothing but a dream. The hill is too large
yet, i prefer to see the pathetic basis for these instutions. Their very bedrock is loose and easily removed.