audio proof of no planes at the WTC

Submitted by andrew lowe watson on Sun, 2007-04-29 03:12.

I posted this in you-know-where.

Sorry to have taken so long.

Here are links to the audio that she recorded of both WTC1 and 2 exploding.
I do not talk of planes because there were no planes that hit the buildings. There may have been decoy planes flying over, but there is no audible sound of a plane hitting wtc2 here.

As for wtc1, a faint whine can be heard . It is nothing like the sound of a Boeing 767 at 550 mph one block away.

Also , a link to a thread that reveals the fake audio of the TV version of the Naudet wtc1 clip.

Ginny Carr WTC1

Ginny Carr wtc2

Naudet wtc1 discussion

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Hi Andrew

Submitted by brianv on Sun, 2007-04-29 19:15.

Hi Andrew, what is this Ginny Carr recording from? A business meeting or something?

I tried cleaning it up in Cubase, but was unable. Listen on headfones with bass and treble turned right down!

Definitley a missile, and secondary explosion. DU warhead to penetrate and main charge a few seconds later.

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Ok I jsut listened to Naudet also, airplane does a flyby NO crash NO explosions.

Positive ID for missile?

Submitted by Fred on Mon, 2007-04-30 05:59.

I know Peggy knows a sound expert, maybe she can have him listen to the tapes from the meetings? Do we have any military experts who can ID missiles by their sound signatures? It would be great if we could get a positive ID on what exactly they DID use.

We need Jane's All Military Missile Sounds. MASINT we need you! =)

Fred

Fly past?

Submitted by andrew lowe watson on Tue, 2007-05-01 19:51.

I can hear the sound that preceds the bang in the second clip receding after it. There are also what sound like sirens. That could only mean a fly-past.

Fly by: I wouldn't be at all surprised

Submitted by Fred on Tue, 2007-05-01 20:59.

There may have been just enough of an "air show" on 9/11 to confuse the live eyewitnesses enough that they could accept the "TV Show" that came later.

Here are photos from a Princeton alum who didn't see a plane and took a lot of pictures.

http://www.tgeneva.com/~davethom/

I'll emphasize a couple of points.

Regarding the first hit:

"Many people said a small plane hit the tower. I couldn't believe it, but I ran over to the end of the pier and joined other people from our field office who were watching."

Naudet also shows something small. That leaves the door open for Missiles, UAV's, a flyby from a military plane...

Regarding the second hit:

"After a while, I saw a huge fireball on the second tower -- being on the far side, I didn't see the plane and assumed a bomb or something had gone off."

Notice where his pictures are taken from. How is it that he couldn't see a plane from this angle, and Chopper 4 couldn't see a plane from its angle? Most of the live people didn't see much besides the explosions, and then the TV "clarified" what they saw.

I have no reason to think that Mr Thom endorses any conspiracy theories, I'm simply pointing out that people who were right there watching managed to avoid seeing a plane, but they later talked to people who did (probably on TV, imho).

Fred

bullshit

Submitted by brianv on Tue, 2007-05-01 21:10.

"As a structural engineer, I knew how the towers were constructed, and that the steel tube was weak in the centre and would have some trouble with the fire"

He also doesnt catch the waldo pepper ariel show, if there was one that is?

Is this the fly-by plane?

Submitted by andrew lowe watson on Tue, 2007-05-01 23:20.

It's going in the right direction, i.e. away from the WTC.

debris at the base

Submitted by brianv on Wed, 2007-05-02 01:28.

Mmm. Certainly looks perpy.

Whats your guess on the debris at the base of the tower Andrew? Has it fallen (theres none above it) or is it being ejected up or out from the base??

Here's another from the archive from ABC 7

http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110954-1036

Similar timing for this flyby

Submitted by webfairy on Wed, 2007-05-02 08:06.

http://webfairy.org/eh/
http://webfairy.org/slideshow/eh/
I'm terrible at geography, but it looks to me like it might be a view of the same plane flyby.
Dangerous Truth of the Elephant plane
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/07/dangerous-truth-of-elephant...

http://webfairy.org
The Ultimate Conspiracy

that still

Submitted by genghis on Wed, 2007-05-02 04:36.

is very very wierd. it is from the west, straight after the second strike. you can see the white smoke trail from the nosecone debris. i would say that is wreckage from the building exploding. it is on the wrong side for the white elephant, very good post.

close-up view

Submitted by andrew lowe watson on Wed, 2007-05-02 07:04.

It's definitely a plane, and it's flying north.

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